Comments on: ColdFusion 9 ORM and why I see deception

By: Chris Dawes

Chris Dawes — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

I’ve asked for it to be a optional feature as I see the benefit, but not for everyone.
Small apps, or small traffic apps really don’t need it and there are alternatives that are also used for other apps.
Allow me to turn it off in the admin and I’m happy.

By: admin

admin — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:00:00 +0000

@Chris: That sure is a good idea Chris. Maybe it could be controlled from the sandbox security. the same way you control things like cfexecute and cffile.

There is a certain benefit, and lately I’ve been seeing people using it more and more. it sure is nice to be able to use something the “cool kids on the block” use. But again, it has to be used with responsibility.

@Seth: It will up to certain extent. I’ve been using it (now I can say), and it will generate only minimal stuff. Also, I don’t trust IDE code generators (remember Dreamweaver?).

@Big Mad Kev: it sure would be a great thing if Adobe provided some education to it. one of the things about the ColdFusion community, is that it really rocks, and in some cases, even not having had any education with it, it’s going really fast paced, and there’s loads of people really nailing it now.

@David: I’ll take a look at the book. thanks

By: David Tucker

David Tucker — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

It is true that Hibernate can be complex. This is certainly not something that beginners should attempt to work with – especially with complex domain models. Any developer planning on using the Hibernate functionality in CF9 needs to be well versed in Hibernate – and understand how to map the complex relationships that exist in many domain models. ColdFusion does make it easy (certainly easier than creating a Java + Spring + Hibernate application) – but, any full featured ORM will have many complexities that will need to be understood.
I would recommend that any developer who wants to learn about Hibernate read “Java Persistence with Hibernate” – https://www.amazon.com/dp/1932394885?tag=davidtunet-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=1932394885&adid=0W759CEQSCAJMMCYXP4M&

By: Seth

Seth — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

The ORM will not write the code for your but the CF Builder will! I saw it in action at the recent Adobe Road Show and it was simply amazing, and very easy to customize and extend. There is basically an ORM wizard which you will be able to use which will generate all the necessary cfcs to start using the technology immediately. If you don’t like the code it generates, you can open the wizard config files and make it do what you want. I’m sold!

By: Big Mad Kev

Big Mad Kev — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

I think your right in the sense that a new POWERFUL feature comes along (As it did with CFC’s) and people have their own ideas on how to use them and some will hit the nail on the head. Some will sort of get it and use the best parts and others will make a pigs ear of it and as you said blame the technology rather then their implementation or understanding.
But lets hope that by putting things in the CF Tag stack it takes the complex and thus hopefully bad things away.
But Education is key here and something that Adobe have to get right at the launch of CF9 ORM and give best practive do’s and don’ts to help people on the right track.
Nice thought provoking post there Marcos